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Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, Mr. Gagnon, could you give us your full name and spell it for us, and then I’ll give you an oath to start.

Michel Gagnon
Okay, my legal name is Michel Gagnon, M-I-C-H-E-L G-A-G-N-O-N. But I go under the name Mike.

Wayne Lenhardt
Mr. Gagnon, do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in your testimony today?

Michel Gagnon
I do.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, due to the time constraints I’ll lead you a little bit more than I normally would. You’re presently 52 years old, correct?

Michel Gagnon
Yes

Wayne Lenhardt
And you have spent a total of 33 years in the air force?

Michel Gagnon
That’s right.

Wayne Lenhardt
But you got out in April of 2022.

Michel Gagnon
That’s correct.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay. Could you tell us quickly what happened that made you leave the air force?

Michel Gagnon
Yeah, so my story is very similar to all the military members that got out. I didn’t want to get vaccinated. It was very obvious early on in the pandemic, especially when they came out with a mask, the whole thing was complete B.S. to me. Because the mask— I was a general safety officer for a couple of years; I had to take a course on masks. One of the comparisons that I like to— One doctor that is very vocal against the mandate, he likes to say that the mask, even an N95 against COVID-19, is basically like trying to sift sand through a chain-link fence. It does not work. And I knew that from the beginning, and that’s why for me, the minute they started making the mask mandatory, I knew that this whole rhetoric was not about science. It was all a political game or whatever, so to speak.

Wayne Lenhardt
Were there already concerns about things like myocarditis at that point?

Michel Gagnon
Not on my side per se. I had a medical condition that they denied me of. However, they weren’t going to approve it, anyway. They approved a bunch of people in Ottawa, but they didn’t approve anybody else in Canada.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, so there was a procedure to ask you, essentially, or require you to comply with the mandates. And could you tell us what that was quickly and what the end result was?

Michel Gagnon
Yeah, so as part of getting out—because I didn’t want to follow the mandate or I didn’t want to take the vaccine—they basically started giving you remedial measures, which is kind of like disciplinary measures. You start with one, which is a bit of a warning. Second time was a— I don’t know if it was a second or third time, but I think I got three of them where you ended up with a recorded warning. And then after that, you go on into, like, career implications where they’re actually going to kick you out. Because you were, in accordance with the military, disobeying a lawful order in their mindset.

Wayne Lenhardt
So it was some kind of disciplinary process.

Michel Gagnon
Exactly.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, and so prior to having a disciplinary process be a mark on your record, which was exemplary at that point—

Michel Gagnon
Yes.

Wayne Lenhardt
You decided just to retire.

Michel Gagnon
Yeah, because at the end of my career, I switched to a part-time military, so a reserve class. And I had the options of just giving a 30-days notice. I basically did that before they started the proceeding of pushing me out and giving me a 5F release, which is a dishonourable discharge.

Wayne Lenhardt
And you’re currently, basically, living on your pension, is that correct?

Michel Gagnon
That’s correct.

Wayne Lenhardt
Was the mandate from the military or from the federal government or a combination? Did you ever get anything in writing, and if so, who did you get it from?

Michel Gagnon
So from the Chief of Defence Staff, we had what they call an order that came out, and basically, they stated that the vaccine is mandatory. And right away in that same order, if you were not willing to follow or give your status of your vaccination, you were going to get disciplinary— All the steps for disciplinary action were all laid out in there. And eventually, you will get kicked out of the military for refusing a lawful order.

Wayne Lenhardt
Were there any injuries that were noted at that time from military personnel that had gotten the vaccine? Were injuries happening at that point?

Michel Gagnon
So from what I’ve been told, we had no— Like we had COVID cases, but COVID cases based on the flawed test, obviously. So it’s hard to say we had real COVID cases. But the military is usually a healthy entity

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because you have to be physically fit and all that stuff. So the chance of you being in severe complication of COVID-19 was already pretty low because everybody is pretty healthy. And normally, if you have comorbidities, you don’t stay in the military. You’re getting kicked out because you’re not fit for duties. So nobody, really, we might have had a few cases. I’ve never heard of any complication in the military. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It’s like the flu, right? You can be sick pretty bad from the flu. So I’ve never heard of any bad complicated case from COVID-19.

However, the minute the vaccine rolled out, there’s been a lot of vaccine injuries. So it was, like, astonishing to me that we were still going with the vaccine mandate.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, and if there are injuries with the military, especially someone that’s been in it as a career like you’ve been, the military basically has an investment probably well into seven figures into your training that they would lose.

Michel Gagnon
Yeah, so in 2007, I kind of switched trades. Just that training I did in 2006, 2007, basically to qualify a person like me to fly an airplane, it cost the military approximately 2 million dollars.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, is there anything you feel that the military or the government should have done differently in your case?

Michel Gagnon
Everything has been done as directed by their superiors to a T. They don’t follow— They don’t care what the population thinks.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, do you feel that this type of thing is going to harm the military in the longer term?

Michel Gagnon
Absolutely. It’s already hurting. Right now, what I know of is there’s quite a few flying squadrons that their pilots, not just the pilot, entire air crews are failing their medical because they’re failing their EKGs. Because one of the first things that the vaccine does, it makes your body produce these spike proteins that are supposed to be the bad part of the virus. But they give you something that is making your body create the thing that is bad from the virus.

So what’s happening right now, pilots are failing their EKGs—and air crews, not just the pilots—and because of that, well, you can’t fly. So there’s squadrons out there, from what I’ve been told, and this is hearsay, but there’s only like two pilots serviceable in an entire squadron. And they’re flying these guys all the time because everybody else is unserviceable right now.

Wayne Lenhardt
Is there anything else that you want to tell us relating to this issue with the military?

Michel Gagnon
Well, the thing with the military, they’re— Here’s the scoop with the military, and I think it’s the same with the RCMP: You only promote yes-men. You don’t promote critical thinking people. That’s the way it works in the military: if you don’t agree with your boss, you’re never going to get promoted. So that’s what’s happening at the higher echelon. They will follow your government.

You got to remember the military, unlike the RCMP—which the RCMP fails at this mandate. The RCMP is supposed to be responsible to the public and they’re supposed to keep the government in check. Well, guess what? They did the complete opposite during the pandemic because they didn’t follow the Constitution. And that’s what they’re supposed to do.

The military does not have that mandate. They’re supposed to defend the sovereignty as directed by their government, which the government—obviously, they wanted to impose that mandate.

But it didn’t just happen in Canada: that happened throughout the world, synchronized with all the UN countries. So a lot of people think that the problem is just here in this country. This is the exact same thing in all the UN countries. So there’s a pattern here. So we always think right now that it comes from Canada and we did this, we did that. Well, it’s the same thing in Australia, New Zealand, U.K., like you name it, all the UN countries were directed to do it this way.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, I’m going to ask the commissioners at this point if they have any questions to ask you.

Any questions? Last? Okay, thank you very much.

Michel Gagnon
I’d like to make a quick statement just before we finish, it’ll take a minute.

So I’d like you guys to actually go on YouTube and search Dr. Fauci predicting the pandemic. If you guys think the pandemic was something that was released by accident or whatever, it was actually planned. Dr. Fauci, on the 12th of January 2017, predicted that Trump will be hit with a pandemic at the end of his presidency. And the minute that Trump went over to the WEF and the UN, just prior to the pandemic, and said that he will not participate or the country will not participate to the world order, he came back home. And that’s when the pandemic was released.

I have friends in the military everywhere; I’ve been in it for 33 years. We have an intelligence section or trade. I know a lot of people in that trade, and they told me straight up— And this is what you got to remember: The pandemic was created for you to get the vaccine, it was not the other way around. You didn’t get the vaccine to try to avoid the pandemic. The pandemic was created for you to get the vaccine.

Wayne Lenhardt
Okay, if there’s no more questions from the commissioners, I want to thank you for your testimony today, on behalf of the National Citizens Inquiry. Thank you so much.

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Final Review and Approval: Margaret Phillips, August 10, 2023.

The evidence offered in this transcript is a true and faithful record of witness testimony given during the National Citizens Inquiry (NCI) hearings. The transcript was prepared by members of a team of volunteers using an “intelligent verbatim” transcription method.

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Summary

Mr. Gagnon served in the military, specifically the Air Force, for 33 years. In 2006/7 the military trained him as a pilot at a cost of $2-million, but he retired early in April 2022 to avoid the mandated COVID-19 vaccine. He was astonished that the shots would be mandated for a fit, healthy population, such as people in the military. Everyone was ordered to comply with vaccine mandates, on penalty of 5F release (dishonorable discharge). Mr. Gagnon was also critical of masking. As a general safety officer, he was aware of the futility of expecting face masks to prevent viral spread, and he felt that the mask mandates were more about politics than science.

Mr. Gagnon reported that although there were “cases” from the PCR testing in the military, he had not heard of any serious complications from the COVID illness. However, when the vaccines were rolled out there were a lot of vaccine injuries. He said that he has heard that many pilots and entire aircrews are failing their medical EKGs, which means there are squadrons that cannot fly. One of the serious issues within the military, in Mr. Gagnon’s opinion, is that “yes” people are promoted over critical thinkers.